About this episode

This special 300th episode of the For The Long Run podcast is with coaching extraordinaire, and one half of the Some Work All Play (SWAP) power couple, David Roche. As well as being Jon’s coach of over 2000 days, David is the husband to SWAP co-coach Megan, dad to Leo, and an accomplished athlete himself. On and off the trails, David can be found helping others, spreading joy, and making the world a better place in all that he does.

In this episode we talk about:

  • honesty in coaching and athlete relationships
  • the highs and lows of an athletic life 
  • content creation: perspectives on growth metrics, authenticity, criticism 
  • lessons from years of podcasting 
  • overlapping passions and professions  We mentioned several previous episodes of the For The Long Run podcast, including:
  1. A Grand Canyon Wrap-Up with David Roche
  1. David Roche: YOU ARE SO LOVED74. Vanessa Fraser: Trust The Process
  1. David and Megan Roche: “Shoot Your Shot”
  1. Kevin Rutherford: Creating a Thriving Culture
  1. Megan Roche: Infectious Positivity 
  1. David Roche: Reflecting on 200 episodes and more
  1. Kevin Goldberg: Ultra Running to the Extreme
  1. Brad Stulberg: Strategies For Sustainable Excellence

David and Megan Roche host the successful SWAP podcast, which we recommend you check out here: https://swaprunning.com/podcast 

Tune in to Kevin Goldberg’s podcast Distance To Empty  

Follow David on Instagram @mountainroche Megan Roche @megrunshappy and For The Long Run @forthelrpod 

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Past guests on For The Long Run include: 177. Molly Seidel; 226. Mike “Kofuzi”; 228. Kara Goucher; 59. Shalane Flanagan; 234. Camille Herron; 198. Courtney Frerichs; 229. Jes Woods; 207. Tyler Andrews; 197. Dean Karnazes; 206. Katie Arnold; 220. CJ Albertson; 153. Joe Holder; 199. Kelly Roberts; 188. Gwen Jorgensen; 205. Emily Abbate; 209. Sara Vaughn; 174. Nick Bare; 97 Amelia Boone; 101. Courtney Dauwalter, 219. Dylan Bowman; 191. Matt Chittim; 200. David Roche; and more!


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